Is it too soon yet?

realdealphil · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 27

OK - When would be the appropriate time to let folks around here know what it is that I do? I do not want to be the jerk that comes in here and drops and ad then leaves.

Please advise when you have a moment. Thanks.

chow · Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:

When you actually become a member of the community. You answer questions, with your humble opinion, and give others insight to issues on discussions.

We are not the busy place. We just want to be the honest and friendly place.

realdealphil · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 27

So is sadafgh a member of the community? I am curious as to what humble opinions have been offered by this member in his/her overbearing 3 posts. Please advise.

chow · Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

There are 4 person's who moderate areas.

Go into the member list and David is #1, Johnathon stops by on occassions. Haplo and I are back ups.

what are you talking about? sadafgh? Where..????

realdealphil · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 27

I understand the format of having moderators,etc. I am a moderator on other sites as well. If you will so kindly take a quick look through all the advertising category. You will notice that all of the sticky's contradict. Also you will notice that there have been many advertisements "nuked." However with a little more thorough eye, you will notice the member that I mentioned above has successfully posted an advertisement which I believe you commented on along with the other 3 or 4 active members on this forum.

This is my "humble opinion."

Haplo · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 2422 Location: Springfield, IL

RDP,

Here's basically how I consider it. When I can remember your name and what you do, then your good enough.

Right now I know one thing, your name. I know another thing, that you seem to like criticizing how I'm doing things.

You mentioned that the name above has posted advertisements. Well, yes you're right. I don't suppose you read them? There was an entire thread about it.

If you would like to stand up to the world and profess that you're an idiot then I'll probably allow that to stay as well, but it's your call, and don't feel bad when some of us may call you out on it. However if you'd like to post an advertisement that might work for you, then please stick around, be a part of the community, and get to know us and let us get to know you.

The posts may contradict, but they all basically say the same thing. You come here (the board) first, become a part of the 'group' per se, and then through your own contributions you've already advertised yourself. A post here is merely an organization tool.

So is it too soon? I'd say yes. Could you have something here soon, absolutely! There's no real time frame, or number of posts. Be helpful, be pleasant, and if you occasionally drop a funny line we'll probably all be happy ;)

chow · Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject:

Ya- mean we have to be funny too? :idea:

Hey, Can I post this motorcycle some where around here and watch you guys druel???

Haplo · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 2422 Location: Springfield, IL

Druel...is that like dueling with drunken rabbits?

realdealphil · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 27

Well, with all that being said I am inclined to remove myself from your over-honorary presense.

I am glad that I asked first and got shot down rather than what the typical person does. I would have thought that with the consideration that I put out there would have actually meant something. Beings that I actually played by your rules and asked before doing something. I had no idea that I would have received such a down-play type response. But that is OK with me.

The more I look at the statistics of this site, I see that there is nothing to gain for myself nor anyone in the mortgage business in general. Case in point: To date there have been 4347 posts made. 3227 of which have been made by only 7 of the members. That's 74% of the posts done by a couple of folks that want to talk about motorcycles and drunken ducks. And after those 7 members, the next person in line with the most posts only has 65 total posts. Furthermore, there are only 24 people with 20 posts or better. This tells me that even when someone is a member, they soon find out after reading off-topic subject matter throughout the site, they go back to the true mortgage-related sites.

So again, please explain to me what this site is about. In addition, what exactly does it entail to "become a member of the community?" As far as me to "stand up to the world and profess that you're(me) an idiot", let's see what my fact-finding truly revealed versus the previous two posts on this thread. I trust that you will judge without bias.

I'm not generally the type to step in to controversy. That is why I asked before I acted. However when I did the "right thing", I was put down. So if all this place is for is for 7 people that want to chat, why don't you simply create a chat room on aol or something? If you don't want open membership to people in the mortgage industry, then restrict your membership. Otherwise, all but a handfull of us have wasted our time and yours.

Good day and as always - Take care.

Haplo · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 2422 Location: Springfield, IL

You weren't put down. I stated rather clearly that if you wanted to do what the other guy did, feel free. I also stated clearly that there is no set amount of time before someone becomes a 'member of the community.'

Statistics can be misleading. How many people have come here, and just read? How many people only post when they have a question? Of course there are some of us that are more active than others, and you will see that in any forum whether that be mortgage related or not.

I appreciate your asking before posting, however returning back with 'you're sure doing a poor job' in a public forum does nothing to help your credibility with the people who do frequent these forums and only serves to show that you can be a pompous ass.

That being said, most of us are :P What is the benefit of this site? It varies from user to user. However if you aren't willing to be a participant, that's ok. Life will move on, and we will all (yourself included) continue our business as usual. If however you'd like to become a part of the site, actually read through what's posted here rather than simply look at a few numbers, you might find something you didn't know before, or you might find someone who has a question that only you can answer.

Your choice. I personally prefer to put effort into building things up rather than walking in, looking around, scoffing and then leaving.

realdealphil · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 27

Could you please show me where and when I said that you or anyone was "doing a poor job?" I looked through all my posts and am unable to locate anything closely related to such a statement. Please do not put words in my mouth. :wink:

In the future, if you feel as though I am being a "pompous ass" let's make an attempt to at least communicate a bit more professional. You made this assumption based on the above words that you tried to put in my mouth.

As far as me taking the time to look and read through the site, trust me - I have. In addition, I repeatedly see the same 7-12 people with off-topic discussion. Sure, there are some threads that have substance and good feedback. But for the most part, let's take a quick look at your hundreds of replies.

The facts are still the same. I have come in here, tried to offer positive input. And when it came down to a simple honest request, I was, without a doubt, put down. I'm not taking offense nor are my feelings affected in any way. I am just continuing to inquire as to why a couple of people on here made it there mission to keep this some little secret chat room for a limited amount of people.

To truly build things up, look for strength in numbers. I have yet to scoff an leave. I have very clearly laid out facts of other people doing what I requested to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

And have I once violated any rules? Not to my knowledge. I'm the guy who actually took the time to stick around more than a week, read through almost the entire site, and post a comment here and there. And I don't bash anyone. I feel that as far as that is concerned, you and I really are on the same page when it comes to building something positive. It's just that I come out looking like the guy begging. And believe me, I'm not one to beg. I merely asked a simple question in the correct manner, and look what this has come to. Mountain out of a mole hill if you asked me.

With all that being said, I am actually beginning to like your opinions and they way you express yourself in writing. It can actually be a little intellectually stimulating. Certainly, I look forward to your response. I know that we can continue this debate without "beating each other up."

Take care.

David · Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 754 Location: Atlanta, GA

As we get larger, and there is greater participation, we may get a little more detailed about the methods employed for moderating this section. Right now, you can consider it the Wild West! :lol: Your suggestions are certainly welcome, and our policies are mutable. As you develop yourself here, you can bet your views and recommendations will be considered or acted upon.

realdealphil · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 27

Hi David,

I was wondering when you might get a chance to jump in on this one. Thank you for your input. I think that Haplo and I are starting to get a better feel for one another now and that we probably are moreso on the same page as opposed to going toe-to-toe.

I have to admit that it has been rather fun stirring up a little bit this morning. I don't want to discount the fact that we are probably all here for the same reason overall.

Thanks for establishing a forum for the industry. Take care.

chow · Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject:

Phil, David and haplo keep the Evil Twin "In Check"

I'm the Devil's Advocate, but if you ever need an honest hand-call me! I've fallen in love with Haplo-Mentally, but he's the same age as my step son.-who's made me a Granny twice already. :shock:

And this last week # 5 Grand child bounced into our lives....

I'm running for hair color coupons! :shock:

Haplo · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 2422 Location: Springfield, IL

Quote: I understand the format of having moderators,etc. I am a moderator on other sites as well. If you will so kindly take a quick look through all the advertising category. You will notice that all of the sticky's contradict. Also you will notice that there have been many advertisements "nuked." However with a little more thorough eye, you will notice the member that I mentioned above has successfully posted an advertisement which I believe you commented on along with the other 3 or 4 active members on this forum.

I consider this a direct take on my ability to keep track of what's goin on in my little section of the board. Thus, where my statements come from.

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